At the tender young age of 7, Spartan males left home and entered the Agoge, where they were subjected to training that was anything but tender. I find major flaws in everyone's reasoning. Makedonische Krieg zu Ende und das Stammland Alexanders des Großen vernichtet. The sword you're referring to is the kopis which was pretty hard to make do to its curved shape. The Roman shields have been more modern and advanced were stronger and larger than the Spartan shield, but the Spartan shield was built to withstand a lot of punishment. The Legionnaire dominated nearly 500 years of history-changing tactics and equipment very little but they eventually were destroyed by less drilled but more hungry enemies. The word "spartan" means self restrained, simple, frugal and austere. So let's take a look at their skills shall we? He would then be brutalized by his peers and turned into a Spartan warrior through years of exhaustive training. The Ninja of the Far East versus the Greek Spartan Warrior was not a like for like match. See more ideas about ancient warfare, ancient warriors, ancient war. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. Spear: The Spartan used their long spears to inflict mass casualties from behind their wall of bronze shields. So by a small amount the Roman soldier should defeat a Spartan Warrior in the field of battle. This murder served a two-fold purpose, firstly it culled the number of rebellious young slaves. Das Königreich Makedonien wird in vier unabhängige Regionen aufgeteilt und einige Jahre später als Provinz ins Römische Reich eingegliedert. This does not really mean that the Greek Phalanx was flawed as a fighting system. 13 years ago. Einige von Roms Bundesgenossen suchen ihr Heil in der Flucht. He may have committed a crime and was offered the chance to use his life as a soldier rather than face a horrible death by execution. In a kind of homage to the television series. Second to last point, Spartan's size and strength. Geschichte Legion vs. Phalanx Roms neuartige Taktik vernichtete Makedoniens Heer In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. The Spartans were some of the greatest soldiers of all time, but that isn't as great an advantage as people make it out to be. This would entitle him to a legion pension and land to farm at the end of his service. Spartan supremacy wained in Greece and after several defeats to the city of Thebes due to and the same inability to advance tactics and equipment they too became a fighting icon of the past. They did not have a lot of coverage and as the armour was made of bronze it would have weighed a fair amount. As for the cavalry getting involved, iirc both sides still had their cavalry forces, so even if they had attempted the flank the legions, the Roman cavalry … He was either forced into it as he was the second or third son in a poor family. von Pergamon (der Auftraggebers des Pergamonaltars) die mit ihm verbündeten Römer zur Intervention. Also, the Romans used cavalry, Spartans did not. Weitere Informationen: http://epaper.welt.de, Der Kurz-Link dieses Artikels lautet: https://www.welt.de/165797873. The Spartans would almost definitely win in a head on clash, the phalanx is just like the spears it is made from, devastatingly powerful head on, but weak when attacked from the side. A Hoplon looks completely for defending, and it is an excellent defensive tool, being made out of thick wood, a layer of leather for impacts and a shell of bronze (altogether weighing a good 30 lbs.- about 13 kg. Schon während des Krieges gegen Hannibal hatte Perseus‘ Vater Philipp V. gegen die Römer gekämpft. This implies that it is a one on one, and if the author says it is not, then he should not have named it so. YOU CAN'T, IT'S STILL METAL. The Kopis, an alternative to the Xiphos some Spartans selected the dreaded Kopis as their secondary weapon. The Xiphos excels at stabbing, with a very sharp tip made to kill an enemy quickly if given that stabbing opportunity in CQC. It can be swung in a way that the ball turns into a semi-mace/hammer, easily capable of crushing a skull through a helmet. As the Romans demonstrated an army is so much more than the sum of its parts. In fact he has roared … Continue reading "Book Review: Legion Versus Phalanx by Myke Cole." There is no doubt in my mind that Roman legions would completely obliterate the Spartans. The Legionnaire joined the Roman army in several different ways. kam es bei Pydna zur Entscheidungsschlacht. Die WELT als ePaper: Die vollständige Ausgabe steht Ihnen bereits am Vorabend zur Verfügung – so sind Sie immer hochaktuell informiert. And at the beginning of the battle, the Macedonian Phalanx did succeed in pushing back the Roman Legions, but without good support troops guarding the flanks, the Macedonian Phalanx was susceptible to being out-flanked by the more nimble and flexible Roman Legions, and they WERE out-flanked. kam es bei Pydna zur Entscheidungsschlacht. The Spartan warrior underwent a decade of tests, to ensure that his endurance and character were worthy of his position in the elite of his people's army. The Greek xiphos was never a primary weapon as it would take away the advantage of the phalanx. Andrew Stewart (author) from England on December 05, 2013: Interesting points thank you for the contribution. Shields: The Spartans main armour was their bronze shields which were the ancient equivalent of a tank when used in a large group. The earliest soldiers of the Roman army were hoplites. On all fronts, the Roman legions would dominate on the battlefield. Another thing this doesn't take into account is that the roman legionnaire was a professional swords men and that the spartan formation would of lost shields because the way the roman spears were designed. The Spartans trained and fought all their life with ONLY these weapons. Makedonischen Krieg erlitt er 197 bei Kynoskephalai eine schwere Niederlage, die ihn die Rolle als Hegemonialmacht in Griechenland kostete. Greek Hopolites already fought against the Roman Legion, and the Greeks lost very horribly. This fight has already been done in history. When the Sarissas act as an anvil to the Macedonian Cavalry's hammer, nothing could stand in its way. The Spartans didn't have a wide range of weapons to use, or rather they did, but chose to use only their Dory spear, javelin, Xiphos, and Hoplon (yes, although it's a shield, i still consider it a formidable weapon- I'll get to that in a bit). That is, until the Romans developed the legion and cracked the phalanx. May 12, 2019 - Explore Jyotirvakyananda's board "Phalanx" on Pinterest. Only until a male succeeded in training in the Agoge, and reached an age of 20, was he then made to join the Spartan miitary full-time until the age of 60. As far as we are aware, these warriors never met on the battlefield as the once-mighty Sparta had melted into obscurity by the time of Roman supremacy and the Greek warriors were nowhere near their legendary peak. Also covering from torso to knee when semi0crouched for a phalanx(pay attention to that coverage, that'll be important later). Im Folgenden begründet er seine persönlichen Spitzenreiter. Swords: Both sets of warriors used a short sword as their primary weapon in one on one contest. The Roman legions utilized a more flexible battlefield strategy, with smaller units able to move independently. Think about it, aside from grueling training and combat experience, these guys used the same loadout for every fight. However, Cole is a self-confessed nerd and he has roared. The Chestplate and helmet were very functional at saving injury. Bronze was still a durable metal. The greek phalanxes were too unwieldy to counter flanking attacks and were easily surrounded and undone. He deduces that the Romans refused to fight the phalanx where the phalanx was effective, Romans offered battle only when a legion could exploit the clumsiness and immobility of a phalanx. In a pitched battle, the Spartan would be victorious the vast majority of the time. What if the two would go into battle against each other? He may sign up to be a Legionnaire so that he could get Roman citizenship. Or he may have been a slave sold into the Roman Legion after he had been abducted from his homeland. The youth would have been taught of Sparta's heroes and he was instructed never to surrender, and never back down from the fight. Oh... don't you forget that they did this training as young boys, you keep that in your head. Instead hoplites favored the leather cuirass which gave almost equal the protection at a lower cost. Nerd isn’t the name one would generally associate with Myke Cole & from the picture on the back flap of Legion versus Phalanx, as a stranger you’d certainly think twice about calling any name he didn’t OK to his face. Damit ist der 3. After all, the Roman Legionary was able to defeat the Macedonian Phalanx. No heavy Spartan. Spartans held brevity of speech in high regard, meaning they let their skills do the talking. Juni 168 v. Chr. The Spartan Xiphos was designed to go in and around the defence of a shield in line. In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. So your saying that one Roman vs one Spartan, the Spartan is … This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. This is a one on one fight, there is no phalanx as far as I'm concerned. Im 2. In diese stoßen die Legionäre vor und greifen die Makedonen von der Seite und dem Rücken aus an. Perseus kann zunächst fliehen, ergibt sich aber schließlich dem römischen Feldherrn und stirbt in Gefangenschaft. The spear and sarissa was always their primary (as written by Herodotus for example). No one expects it to be used as a weapon, and it being used as a weapon can allow the element of surprise. I enjoyed the way the programme was set up and the scientific approach was really well thought out and well implemented. Deadliest Warrior is a horrible show because they do not treat things realistically. They were made to always compete against each other, some of the competitions included a fair amount of violence (so INDIVIDUAL FIGHTING PROWESS was VERY important). At their peak-both warriors were formidable. Die Entscheidung fällt, als es den Römern gelingt, Perseus aus seinem festen Lager zu locken. Aber je weiter die Phalanx der Makedonen vorrückt, desto mehr verlieren ihre Krieger den Kontakt zueinander, so dass Lücken in der Schlachtreihe auftraten. Therein lies the trickery. Final point, these guys were smart, there is a reason people back in those days employed Spartans as mercenaries or bounty hunters. The victorious Romans recruited betallions of the few remaining Spartans after they controlled southern Greece and gave them special status in the Roman Legions. Registrieren Sie sich kostenlos und erhalten Sie auf Ihre Interessen abgestimmte Inhalte sowie unsere vielseitigen Newsletter. Im Nahkampf haben die Makedonen mit ihren bis zu sechs Meter langen Stoßwaffen gegen die handlichen Spanischen Kurzschwerter der Römer keine Chance. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. The Roman is using technology more advanced than the Spartan so that alone should swing it. This weapon was seen as the quintessential "bad guys" weapon in ancient Greece. Phyrrus) What I'm trying to say is that, back in 400 BC Spartans could crash a Roman army.100-150 years later though they would propably crashed. Spartan never fought the Roman. The Romans fought in the same way as the Spartans, as they both worked as a single force to crush their enemies. 168 v. Chr. The decline of the Diadochi and the phalanx was inextricably linked with the rise of Rome and the Roman legion … I have decided to compare the Spartan warrior against one of Rome's finest Legionnaires. For one thing, the title of this article is, 'A Spartan Warrior versus a Roman Legionnaire.' The weak points on the legionnaire were at the joints. Am Fluss Elpeus müssen Roms Leichtbewaffnete sogar eine herbe Niederlage hinnehmen. Owing to the shortness of the blade the Spartan had to react to the opponent's aggression rather than attack long-distance and telegraph his attack. The courage and discipline with the spear allowed the Spartan formation to become a human threshing machine. The Spartans of old existed a few hundred years before the Roman Empire and its mighty Legionnaires had marched their way over a large portion of the civilized world. The leaf blade (as I call it) makes the Xiphos heavier nearing the sword tip, allowing for more power to be transferred to the slash, while not turning the sword into a bludgeoning weapon. The Spartan Phalanx was formidable, unless the enemy managed to flank it. The phalanx was best suited for level ground and was vulnerable to loss of cohesion, whereas the legion based on interlocking smaller units was much more adept at holding and reforming formation. Diese erklären Makedonien ohne triftigen Grund 171 den Krieg. Is this surprising? Our last article about who would win in a battle between a Roman Legion and a Greek Phalanx has been such a success that we’ve decided to continue the series. The spartans were originally thought to be around 5'10" to 5'11" through rough estimates from ancient equipment. #WolfAndKaisaYou´ve never seen a Rome II battle like this!! By the time the young Spartan has reached the age of eighteen, he had learned to fight, to win and to die honourably like a true Spartan. Die Schlachtreihe einer Legion (bis zu 5000 Mann) ist in Manipel von 120 Mann unterteilt, die wesentlich mobiler agieren können als die dichten Schlachtreihen der Griechen und Makedonen. Athenian art frequently depicted Spartan warriors with this weapon for that reason. When the phalanx got disrupted or broken up, the individual soldiers had to fight one- on - one. Heck, their women were strong, participating in javelin throwing and discus hurling so as to attract a Spartan male's attention for marriage. With that being said, I implore everyone to stop talking about the military tactics employed by each anctient nation's armies, it does not matter!!! The fight of the phalanx of the Macedonian Greeks (antiquated as it was) vs. the legions of the city of Rome resulted in seven major engagements in which both had three victories and three losses it was the last Hellenistic Macedonian King Perseus at Pydna where the large sarisa's ( spears ) of the Macedonian Phalanx could not maneuver quickly enough to face the fast moving legions. Chr. Weapons and armor where given by retired soldier so only soldiers from a rich family would be using one. 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